The thing that burns (very long)

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The thing that burns is that my parents (my son's owner's) feel I have nothing positive to give or teach them so I am unnecessary except to pay child support. Where would anyone get ideas like this? Logically, the more people teaching/loving/supporting a kid; the better off that kid has it.

I live in a great place in a town that was voted one of the top ten best places to raise a kid by home magazine in 2000. Walk two blocks in any direction and there is a park or field or school. This is not an exaggeration. I hold a 3.6 GPA in my JR year at SOUL. The air is clean and the rate of crime and violence is 10 times lower than where they are. They currently live on welfare in rural Oklahoma, neither one of my parents graduated high school. The nearest opportunity for the boys is the local fast food joint about 15 miles away. All I can do is wait for the pressure cooker to blow. An old couple in a trailer with two teen boys.

I gave those boys up then 8 and 11, because at the time, it was the best thing for them. My herstory was rocky and mom has good reason to be concerned. We were homeless thanks to Oklahoma's "Welfare to Work" Program, my mother’s constant emotional abuse, and my tendency to seek out people just like her as friends and lovers. Not that she was a bad mom, as a little kid she was great to live with. But she has the devil of a time letting us go... She acted then and still does, just like a jealous, passive aggressive ex.

... Fast-forward five years... Time with me now would be good for the boys. At this time she will not even discuss it. I get its "my way or no way". I have no voice. My mom refuses to believe there is anything good about me. She refuses to even try to know me. It would be nice for her if she did. She would not worry and stress so much. She seems determined to think the worst and if I try to fight her in court, she will bring up every thing I ever did wrong from the age of two. I can’t do that. My inner child would kick my a**. There are some things that are just wrong, taking peoples' children away is one of them, ripping your mother/child up in court would be another one.

I feel betrayed because when I brought them to her she assured me I could see and talk to them at any time. I did not need a lawyer. That this was only for a few years. I would have found another way if she had not promised me that. They would come home when things changed. I worked hard, things have changed. Now it’s all I can do for phone calls. I rarely can call because the thought of her picking up the phone seems to freeze me up more often than not. I haven't gotten a picture in three years. She never calls me unless she wants to scream at me for wanting to see them or for talking to them or for sending them presents or to tell me how sick and how tired she is. Nothing beats the feeling that your own mother manipulated and lied to you this way, deliberately hurting so many people in my life, "for our own good." Jeesh and I remember when I couldn't wait to turn 18 and be free of my mother, now I can't wait for my sons to turn 18 and be free of her.

To Adrian, Thanks for the vote of confidence. These days I surround myself with people who can appreciate who I am. I do not tolerate the presence of manipulative dishonest "unavailable" people in my life. I cannot fight my mother without destroying myself financially and spiritually and putting the boys through hell in the process. They are doing well (so I am told) If so, I don't want to rock their boat. So here I am. "Standing in the door holding a cookie." For as long as it takes. That's part of why I like this site, one day maybe the boys will find it and know that the picture my mother paints of me, comes from her own rage at things that happed to her as a child, not who I am.

Thanks for letting me vent, now I'll go do something easy, like calculus.

Nikki.
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  • Re: The thing that burns (very long)

    Thu, November 17, 2005 - 6:58 PM
    Oh, Nikki, I'm starting to see how this all shapes up for you. Know that I'm recovering from addiction, so I've sat in lots of 12-step meetings and heard many women bemoaning the loss of their children, or crying about difficult court fights etc. Not to presume on your reasons for giving up the kids; I believe that you probably did do the best thing for them, and did it out of love and devotion. But I have become so familiar with the patterns of dysfuntional families suffering from generational distortions and imbalances that result in parents being selfish, self-centered, unthinking and unfeeling in their behavior because they were hurt and abused (not only in physical ways) themselves. Unfortunately for them (and, as it turns out, for us) they grew up in a time where the only people who got therapy drooled on themselves and were locked up in near-dungeons in straight jackets and were fed lots of Thorazine. So they suffered with their internal torment their whole lives, and so couldn't help themselves from dealing us unkind blows (again not always physical). Tragically, I would guess that your mom (whether consciously or unconsciously) saw that control over your children would be an ideal way to get even with you for escaping her private hell and for making your life better (which she has resigned herself to as being an impossibility for her). I'm speculating wildly, but it's based on so much first, second and third hand experience that I'm willing to bet there is at least an element of truth in what I say. So of course you have my deepest sympathy and whatever support I can offer.

    Now as for what you can do: I agree with your assessment that going to court would be a last resort, to be used only if you somehow find that your kids are being abused and think you can prove it. Otherwise, the "recovery" thing to do is to accept the consequences of the past with as much grace as you can and resolve to continue being the best person you can and to continue putting your house in order, while praying for the best, highest welfare of, not only your children, but also your mother. the degree of sincerity which you can muster is the degree to which Power will arrange the most satisfactory outcome to this unfortunate situation. In the most mundane terms, when the kids become 18 you will have a nice little situation into which you can invite them. Even if they do not choose to live with you, they will at least be able to see that you are a much better person than your mother may be telling them. But you will also have to accept that there may be damage done which will take a long time to put to rights. This, too, is part of the consequences I mentioned, and your own personal growth and inner peace will arise from recognizing your powerlessness to order the universe as you see fit, even in the case of your own children.

    So where is the idyllic place of which you speak where milk and honey flow freely from fountains in Arcadian parks every-where you look?

    (See, you're not the only one who can write long posts!)
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      Re: The thing that burns (very long)

      Thu, November 17, 2005 - 10:12 PM
      Drugs have never been an issue for me, unless your counting ciggarettes. My addiction was always to people. Whatever habits they had Id pick up, only to drop them when the relationship inevitably exploded. They got gradually more abusive but the over riding "theme" was always emotional distance, manipulation, Lies and control. This did not just happen to me, I sought it out from age 16 to about age 33, when I came to Oregon.

      Family distortion...thats it right there. My mother ran from her mother because gramma tried to take my little brother. I remember that one. Only then I did not know what was happening. We left grammas home state in the middle of the night and in a hurry. I have since learned that this pattern is pervasive among the women in my family. I have other aunts and cousins estranged for the same reason, the older woman tries to take the younger ones child. My mother has a sister who is the "damned one" in her generation. No matter what she does, she is wrong. No one calls her for holidays or birthdays. I have a younger sister who still lives with them (or very near by) at 25. She is terrified of getting pregnant, for that matter shes scared to marry her boyfriend. Damned errie but its way bigger than me and mom. Its actually easy for me to accept and let go of it for that reason. I dont know why this family follows this path. But back then I blindly followed it myself and now that I can see what I was doing, I have lost the chance to break that cycle. How it will all turn out is anyones guess.

      What I do know is that I like life here and now. I refuse to let the red clay clog up the works and the orange fog pollute my happiness. I can create a warm safe space here for my family. As for those sons of mine, Ill be glad to have them as soon as allowed. I know they are safe, they love me and I love them, they know they have a place here but even if they don't choose it, Im proud of them anyway.

      Time and again my mother turned her back on me for refusing to allow her to control my life, I promise the boys that no matter what path they follow in life, I will never abandon them in spirit. I will never remove my love from them. It dosent mean I wont get mad or like all of thier choices. I may not get to live with them at all. But I understand something that I dont think mom ever did. What they choose to do now or as adults is not a reflection of who I am, but of who they are. I love them for who they are, not for those parts of me that they happen to reflect.


      peacenik
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        Fri, November 18, 2005 - 3:12 PM
        Right on, Nikki! Like I said, these things are generational, passed on to children often unconsciously. It's up to us to break those cycles and begin a new one of fully conscious behavior and unconditional love - as you are. The unhealthy behaviors you mentioned are commonplace in addiction. Bear in mind that addiction need not be only to drugs. Addiction means "out-of-control, self-destructive behavior." The object of addiction is secondary. It's really a psycho-emotional-spiritual syndrome, resulting in a hell of our own making. It's a nightmare from which only we can wake ourselves up, as it seems both of us are doing.
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          Re: Freedom

          Sun, November 20, 2005 - 11:50 PM
          One of the odd side effects of this, is that I suddenly have an interest in Geneology, go figure.
  • Re: The thing that burns (very long)

    Sun, May 6, 2007 - 5:00 PM
    Make sure you don't give up trying to connect with your children. Send them letters or stuff you purchase online to let them know you still love them.

    Maybe you can write your mom a letter of gratitude for taking care of the kids and thus, allowing you to straighten your life out. Don't ask for anything or try to fight your case - just thank her for being there when you needed her most. Steps like these will heal your relationship and show her that you really have grown.

    Blessings

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